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to beat president obama. a look at the war in afghanistan. now the longest war. how do we get out? does obama's policy differ from president bush's and what is the effect for generations to come? joe and mika and willie join in the conversation later this hour. we begin with the debt crisis. they are trying to make a deal on the deficit. houses of congress are rolling out separate compromises to safe off a default. harry reid is meeting with mitch mcconnell to craft a solution to appeal to both parties. according to reports, this would do the following. it would allow the debt ceiling to be raised three times for a total of $2.5 trillion. in exchange, some $1.5 trillion in spending cuts would be enacted. the plan would be established to identify new deficit cuts. proposal, already, getting a lukewarm response from the fellow republicans. among them, the freshman snar mark arubio and tom coburn. take a listen. >> it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit. the debt limit isn't the problem. the problem is the debt. the plan, as outlined to me isn't a credible solution. >>
the threat of default or downgrade. >> ron insana there. meanwhile, u.s. troops in afghanistan are worried they may not get paid because of this debt showdown in washington. gener good saturday morning to you, atia. so what was this meeting with the troops like? >> reporter: good morning, alex. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mullen, made his way down to the southern part of afghanistan, the most volatile part in the country. his number one question from the soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines wasn't necessarily about the military strategy but it was, will we get paid. and his response was, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i have confidence that at some point in time whatever compensation you are owed you will be given. obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghani
who knows how to get us out of afghanistan and iraq. >> the republicans we have on the show say they are open to the loophole cuts. are they? >> tom coburn is. he provides a lot of cover. >> i was wondering what mike was quoting. how many pages can you get read in the seventh inning stretch? >> it's in between innings. it's the entire game. >> the tough thing for president obama, he's going to say he will extend the deadline, if it looks like a deal is coming together. this, to me, is the difficult part. if all he had to deal with was the senate, i have no doubt in the next week you would have a deal that would work. the house is difficult. he's going to need to know from nancy pelosi and john boehner the votes are in place. today, not even close to that. >> you will lose 100, maybe 120 republicans right out. if you get most of the democratic caucus and boehner pulls in 100 republicans, it gets done. it's up to the democrats. i think boehner can get 100 republicans. can pelosi get 120 democrats? >> right. okay. we are going to get to bill karins on the heat in a minute. before w
as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff discovered for himself this weekend. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> mullen told marines given the state of the u.s. economy, all the services they said cut back in the size of the force and maybe even military benefits. >> we will have to tighten our belt and prioritize and make hard decisions. >> in the middle of a war zone like many americans, these service members are worried about their jobs and asking what the heck is going on back in washington? >> here's a look at today's schedule. the senate will be in at sdmoon the vote will be set for 1:00 p.m. we will bring you
on the heels of the most absurd unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion dollar medicare and bills and tax cuts for the wealt wealthy. i, myself, voted for all of this. back to my original point. >> welcome back to "morning joe". the medicare plan was a $7 trillion plan. most republicans have been watching. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the san francisco chronicle and a virtual fallout if congress fails to raise the contract. they took out $5.4 billion in loans, covering the bills in case money stops flowing in from washington. new york times under pressure from democratic colleagues, seven term representative, david wu said he would resign from congress following accusations of inappropriate sexual encounters last year. she was much, much younger. before the allegations, he was politically vulnerable. two others were going to challenge him. they have been talking about this going back to college, possible rape charges from his time in stanford. drivers in l.a. may regret paying ticket violations from traffic cameras. they admitted paying the fines is volun
-- i know you've been hearing this morning about the troops in afghanistan who are worried about being paid. how close are we to default really, and what do you say to those people who are concerned? i know you have constituents that certainly will be affiliated with the military. what do you say to them, they think their families won't get the paychecks they need. >> well, we're not going to default. that's number one. and even if we did, social security and the military are going to get paid. so what i say is don't worry, this is going to be solved. this is a political problem of people wanting to have it their own way. now, you know, you simply can't govern this country this way. you have to have people of good will that will come together as the good book says, come, let us reason together. you can't stick in your ideological stance in your partisan stance, you've got to come together for the good of the country, and that will happen somewhere in the course of tonight and into tomorrow. >> and, sir, i know that you could probably very easily finger point to members on the extreme o
. possibly count military spending in iraq and afghanistan. what they need to look at specifically is with the promise of doing tax reform in the fall through december what is the guaranteed tax reform gets done and there is new revenue. you eluded to it. republicans say if democrats don't keep up their end of the bargain we get rid of president obama's individual mandate. democrats say we get rid of the bush tax kults 250 or above. they're working on the trigger mechanism. it's going to take many differentists and turns. it's looking like wednesday is the closest thing we've heard all along in this process that a firm deadline needed to work out the compromise. >> luke, some exclosive issues in that mix. this is going to be a really interesting negotiation to follow. >> a long way to go, andrea. there's still a long way to go. next week's the real crunch time. we'll have a fun weekend. >> thank you, luke up up on the hill for us. senator kent conrad chairs the budget committee and is a member of the gang of six and joins me now senator, your colleagues have been exploding over the
in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> coverage of america's longest wars in both afghanistan and iraq have fallen from the papers of national news. a group of dedicated war journalist, still putting their live on the day every day to try to keep america and the world inform pd in total, 170 journalists have been killed in afghanistan and iraq since the u.s.-led invasion. now the world's deadliest area to be a member of the press, despite the so-called end of combat operations. an with us now is al jazee reporter on the ground in iraq. aung irof "hue to avoid being killed in a war zone." the essential survival guide for dangerous places. and rosie, how much of a barrier to cover good war coverage, how much of a barrier to good war coverage has the failure to prepare to cover the war been? >> well, i think that it's the biggest obstacle right now in everything that's going on this year is safety. because, really, that's the only obstacle. there is so much news out there, and whether we can actually get to it is the biggest problem. >> if we are not able to cover these wars, what do you see as being
coast, heroin doesn't come from afghanistan or southeast asia anymore. >> you're holding $2 million worth of heroin in my hand. >> now it's coming from the place made famous by cocaine and pure enough to kill. >> that one time that somebody makes a decision to use it, it's like playing russian roulette with your life. >> it's big business coming into the country hidden in unbelievable ways. what's the strangest thing you've seen in heroin smuggling? >> it has to be the liquid heroin inside the puppies. >> and a controversial heroin overdose antidote. you'll see it bring a user back from the edge of death. >> there he is. back from the dead. >> heroin, a deadly drug and a business that is still flourishing and recruiting new customers every day. our kids. >> i watched two of my friends die from it. >> the parents like to say it's not happening so we close our eyes and kids continue to die. >> heroin is one of the most addictive drugs known. it's cheap. it's easy to get. once a user is hooked, it can be for life. for the drug traffickers who deal in it, it's a hugely profitable busine
and afghanistan, is inconsistent with his muslim beliefs. at first the military wasn't buying the argument, but ultimately the pentagon said he's right, he should be discharged from the military and he was just about to leave when authorities say they found several items of child pornography on his computer. so that stopped his discharge. he was almost out of the army, but when they found evidence of a crime, they kept him in the military so that they can prosecute him in the military justice system, and that's what put a hold on his discharge. he'd had a hearing. he went awol, wound up in texas. went to the gun store where he bought smokeless powder which is gunpowder basically, a component in bombs, and authorities say when they went to his motel room in ft. hood, texas, they found the makings of basically two time bombs, smokeless powder. they say he was in the process of taking shotgun shells apart to get the shot out. the little metal pellets, which apparently he was going to use as shrapnel in the two bombs that he would have built in pressure cookers. so, instead of being pipe bombs
by democracy in iraq, if you will, in afghanistan, if you will, but here we are at this time trying to restrict the number of days, voting more expensive. this is the part of the anti-barack obama mainland that's sweeping the country. these are the people that raised the debt limit 19 times for all of america because this is not about raising the debt limit. this is about, in fact, another way to undermine the president. we as a people, as a nation, ought to fight back. >> reverend jesse jackson. sir, happy and honored to have you on the show tonight. thank you very much. >>> rupert murdoch's giant media empire is in huge trouble you may have heard. fox news channel is part of that giant media empire. fox news channel covering the scandal, it's amazing. from sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it lets you access business forms on the go, fire off e-mails with the qwerty keypad, and work securely around the world so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it's the android-powered phone that mixes business with pleasure. so
continue to spend tens and tens of billions of dollars in iraq and afghanistan, over a hundred million a year, pour be money into corruption that doesn't help. they can't find 150 or 200 million to regulate derivative. today, this afternoon, a few hours ago, they voted in committee and i think people will be astonished by this. to reduce the legal liability we try to put on the rating agencies. the rating agents are a big part of this problem. paid by the people who are issuing the security and they gave me outlandishing favorable ratings that turn out to be accurate. we said, if you put a rating into a perspective, if i said to you, sharpton, can you guy this and here is what moody's or standard & poor's said about that, they say no -- >> they just voted to repeal that so you can't vote for having misinformation on that? >> it would be much harder. you have to show, al, that they were knowingly reckless. the fact that they were dead wrong, sloppy, careless and you put your money in and bought something worthless, that won't let you do it. you have to -- go through all kinds of directi
involved murdered teenagers and the children of families who lost loved ones in afghanistan and iraq. but for the moment, thank you very much indeed, vicky ward. >> thank you, marlin. >>ly stick around here in london to talk to dylan ratigan as ezra picks things up at the headquarters in new york. stay with us. specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice... and my hands were full. i couldn't sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it's different. we have access to great specialists, and our pediatrician gets all the information. everyone works as a team. and i only need to talk to one person about her care. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with a
, but they have their own leadership structures in each country. even if we get rid of al qaeda in afghanistan or pakistan, we won't simply wipe it out in every country this is an organization that will be with us for decades, one way or another. what we have to do is try to minimize the threat as much as possible and there are positive signs that we're moving in that direction. >> okay. evan kohlman, always sobering, thank you for bring to us. >>> and lawmakers very close to an agreement. but a white house senior adviser says no deal yet. more twists in the road ahead, and we'll tell you why. overhe south pific in 1943 vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003. u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve. dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center recommends the custom-fit orthotic that's best for your tired feet. foot-care scien
military commander arrived in afghanistan on an unannounced visit reassuring leaders thereafter a string of high profile attacks and assassinations. here at home the obama add 3i7b strags struck a deal with u.s. auto makers to more than double fuel efficiency standards it 54.5 gal miles a gallon by the year 2055. >>> a dismal week on wall street as washington wrestled with the debt ceiling debit and new reports showed anemic economic reports over the last six months. now back it "hardball." now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." watching the battle on capitol hill these past few weeks. outside interest groups have also been eager to throw stones at their opponents in this debt fight. millions of dollars spent on ad buys attacking the president, but if the country defaults and the economy suffers, don't the president's re-election chances suffer as well? eugene robinson is an nbc political analyst and an associate editor and columnist at "the washington post" as well as an msnbc analyst. >> the fact is if good things happen when you're president then you get more credit t
of the wars in afghanistan and pakistan. >> still not getting serious. >> i went away from fuzzy. >> is that like jerry at trick math? >> yes. >> are you surprised they don't have a deal today? i actually really -- i mean, i really thought -- >> i would be shocked if they don't have a deal in the next two or three days. again, republican freshmen may have a big ideology difference with barack obama and his world view, and the divide is no greater than ronald reagan's was with tip o'neal in 1983 when they sat down, and they did a kneel. yes, you differ with barack obama and the democrats, but -- >> usually you are good at seeing somebody's angle. like you know what their angle was. what is the angle here? i don't get it. >> these republicans believe this is their only opportunity -- >> are they so stuck to the contract with the tea party they cannot think outside the box for the good of the country? seriously? >> can i finish? you asked a question and i need to finish. they understand one thing. >> what do they understand? >> they are dead right about this. this is their best chan
international service members were killed in a bombing this morning in eastern afghanistan according to nato officials. this as general david petraeus officially hands over the command of the u.s. mission there to general john allen today. hospital officials are denying a weekend report that ousted egyptian president hosni mubarak had a major stroke and was in a coma. according to egyptian state news, doctors say mubarak is in stable condition, ahead of his august trial date. >>> and a big happy birthday to nelson mandela who turns 93 today. the u.n. and mandela's organization are calling on people every to perform 67 minutes of community service in honor of his 67 years in community service. >>> and a stunning ending to last night's world cup final as japan beat the u.s. japan came from behind twice to score two goals each. the win was an emotional one from japan, which is still recovering from the devastating earthquake and tsunami back in march that left over 20,000 dead or missing. was quite the match, i have to say. even riveted me, who is usually a soccer negatory guy. >>> anyway, new
ten years and the expected savings from the drawdown from the wars in iraq and afghanistan is how they are calculating what they can save and the republicans are not happy about that and that is where the divide is. the real fight right now is trying to see where the winds are blowing with what is called the boehner plan. we don't know exactly when that vote will be taken, because there is a lot of head counting going on and maybe some arm twisting, too, to figure out if they can get it through. should it not pass, we are into another whole scenario of what to do next. >> kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. thanks. we want to bring in kristen welker at the white house. kristen, jay carney, the white house press secretary says that he does not believe that the default will happen. as we hear from the two sides both agreeing that the debt limit needs to be raised, it is inevitab inevitable. >> it is the one thing that all sides can agree on here, and you are right, the press secretary jay carney says he has complete faith that the debt ceiling will be raised by next week, but the big q
, oh, maybe this was to do with al qaeda, revenge on norway's role in afghanistan and libya, but then it turned out it was a tall, tall blonde norwegian who has been arrested as we must stress, again, as the suspect, although apparently this man was shooting throughout 20 minutes on the island and was picked up and was stopped by the norwegian swat team. it seems pretty convincing. he is at this stage still just a suspect. yeah, a nation -- absolutely a nation in shock. they can't believe it. everyone is saying this is such a peaceful country. the land of the nobel peace prize and all that stuff. now they're looking at themselves again and wondering what happened to their country. >> okay. martin fletcher, we will be speaking with you again. many thanks for the report. >>> the brutal heat wave continues to grip much of the country. how people are coping next. ♪ i used to see the puddles, but now i see the splash. ♪ i wanted love, i needed love ♪ ♪ most of all, most of all... ♪ helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three st
ceiling snowdown. the handover in afghanistan today. and more trouble with pakistan. we'll talk to the intelligence chair. still ahead, uk hacking scandal claims another top official at scotland yard. send me your thoughts on twitter. this is "andrea mitchell this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement, available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car is totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> you're watching live pictures of the rose garden. th
? >> they call this divine punishment. they say that's for norway being involved in afghanistan and for defaming the prophet mohammed, et cetera, et cetera. there's been so much damage done. who will look at this and try to copycat this? are there other people out there who are going to look at this and say, hey, it worked. we can do this. let's do it again. >> how does this translate in terms of the kind of security we need to take here in the u.s.? >> i can tell you right now that law enforcement in this country is looking very seriously both at the kind of targets that were targeted here, and more importantly, what right wing extremist groups in in country are planning. if you remember just a few years ago, there was this whole had you been loo over monitors the right wing extremists. there are extremists of all dircht flavors. just because you believe in one thing or another doesn't make you less deadly. >> thanks so much for coming in. appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >>> still ahead next hour, how same-sex marriages in new york are creating a bumper crop of wedding business. >>> th
with iraq and afghanistan. the projected costs over eight years, less than $1.5 trillion. for for him to say the bush administration didn't create the deficit is hog wash. for martha mccallum to say that we shortchange the veterans. we could fight more wars is outrageous psychotalk. house republicans shut down the faa while they fight to destroy workers' rights. do you know what the number is? almost 100,000 jobs are at risk but airlines are raking in the profits. [ thomas ] my sophomore year, i was pretty confused, didn't really know what i wanted to do. didn't like high school. and then i met my teacher, mr. mccooey, and that click happened. i would never have even thought about going into the engineering field if it wasn't for these ap classes, these teachers and them helping me realize that this is a major calling in my life. ♪ i didn't always know that i would like math, but now i think it'll change my life. >>> coming up, a discussion about the working folk of america. the faa shutdown is costing taxpayers millions of dollars and it is killing jobs. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk
are not really new but simply counting the saving from the wind down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. senate republicans say reid was with them on a two-step increase process, but that the white house shot that down. and the white house says it's all up to boehner to find a way forward. now, pressure is mounting, so is anxiety over the markets. here's white house chief of staff bill daley on "meet the press" yesterday. >> we are now getting to a point where i think markets around the world will question whether the political system in washington can come together and compromise for the greater good of the. >> country. >> the new fear. a downgrade in america's credit rating even if a debt creeling is raised. if only for six or nine months if it looks like washington can't figure out a long-term debt and deficit issue. by the way, something else going on here. the white house is basically out of the talks. harry reid is proxy for the white house. there isn't much communication going on between house republicans and the white house. it looked like yesterday morning that might not be the case. r
of president obama when it's clear that the wars in iraq and afghanistan added to the nation's debt? >> it did. he's the commander in chief he could have removed our troops at any point in time. let's taung about barack obama's position in washington, d.c. during the six years he's been in washington our accumulated national debt has increased by more than 50 percent. what is president obama's response been now and as a senator to increase spending even more, not to cut it. but to increase spending even more. two years as a freshman senator, the debt goes up $400 billion because of deficits. two years when he's in the majority of the united states senate, it goes up $1.8 trillion. now it's up $2.8 trillion while he's president. >> you're simplifying the issues on the plate of the nation at that point. we were looking at going -- reverting into a depression at that point. everyone the fed chairman -- >> i disagree. >> do you have a degree in economics? >> yes, ma'am, i do. highest honors. >> okay. so you disagree with the fed chairman, ben bernanke. you disagreed at the time paul vol ker and ot
with the military for fighting in iraq and afghanistan." >>> new jersey governor chris christie left the hospital last night after being treated briefly for asthma. the governor says he experienced shortness of breath and lied headedness. it didn't take long for the question of a president's run to come up, of course. let's listen. >> if i decided i want to run for president, i think you know me, charlie, i'd do it, and if there were people who don't think i'm up to it, they ought not vote for me, but we're not at that stage at the moment, so i don't have to worry about it. >> every time i hear him talk about this campaign i swear it sounds like he's looking for a way to run. not a way to not run. hamlet, move over. >>> in a prime example of art imitating life, a spy novelist. major shifts in his story. the product, a riveting and very relevant new book called portrait of a spy. the author, here again. daniel silva. first of all, congratulations. "wall street journal" best-seller. number one. >> number one. >> it will catch up. >> they don't count as well as our financial guys at the "wall street
kathy was terminated. if you follow the news right now, we have 5-year-old boys in afghanistan. this is, i think that particular chapter of life. it's still continuing to this day. it's why we screened the movie for the u.n. the u.n. correspond ens. we got a leaked memo that the secretary general is concerned about the film. they will not -- they are trying to do a damage control thing. >> no commenting, no condemnation? >> no. we have internal memos saying it happened, but let's not make it public. we are trying to comment on this issue, not -- or the state department or whoever. this isn't something that happened way back when. it still continues and we can look at the laws of international immunity and this can be -- >> right. >> there's -- there are gray areas to things, but in my opinion i think you agree it's black and white, peacekeepers should not be buying and selling girls. >> we can all agree on that. >> you know. >> i'm trying to figure out what the bush state department incentive would be for covering it up? >> really? >> why? >> to be honest -- >> united nations. >> this h
afghanistan, pakistan. you're reading a couple pieces in the "new york times." now it's spreading to all of these different countries and one that really jumped off the page for me, drone attacks in somalia. >> joining us, jeremy scahill, on the cia secret sites in somalia, jeremy, the secret training programs and secret prisons out of somalia is part of your reporting there. how big a threat are these terrorist group there's? >> we should say first of all president obama campaigned on a promise to go up against these bush era policies declaring war on the world, running secret sites, torturing prisoners. deeply involved in an underground dungeon officially run by the somali national security agency, but their salaries are paid by the cia directly. in fact, one somali agent described thousand hairli ed ho and paid by u.s. agents and the u.s. is interrogating prisoners, including those rendered by the kenyan government, snatched off the streets in nairobi based on u.s. intelligence and taken to this secret prison and interrogated. it goes against the president's ordered he signed in janua
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